I had a great time talking with Melissa Kruger and Courtney Doctor on their podcast from The Gospel Coalition called The Deep Dish. In fact, as I mentioned at the beginning of our time together, I’ve rarely seen our Eternal Perspective Ministries staff so excited as when I told them I would be talking with Melissa and Courtney!
We discussed the New Earth and and the differences between the Present Heaven and the Eternal Heaven, and we also covered some questions about animals related to my new book All God’s Creatures. Melissa and Courtney are dear sisters who love the Lord and His Word, and I thank God for their lives and ministries, including at The Gospel Coalition women’s conferences, which our EPM staff and my daughter Angie have been beneficiaries of. (These are the keynote sessions from their 2024 women’s conference, which our staff tell me they especially appreciated, including Melissa speaking about the Bread of Life and Courtney sharing about the Good Shepherd.)
Here’s a 15-minute excerpt from the three of us on The Deep Dish, addressing misconceptions about Heaven:
And here’s our full conversation:
